Dear Doc,
I am having a problem draining the black water holding tank on my coach. After opening the valve it drains normally until the tank is approximately half empty and then stops flowing altogether. However if I unhook the drain hose it will continue to drain until almost completely empty. I don’t understand why I have to unhook the drain hose to completely drain the tank or how to resolve the problem. Any ideas or suggestions?
David Badger, (Falls Church, VA)
Answer:
David, barring any severe blockages inside the holding tank, it is apparent a venting problem exists. As a holding tank drains, air must enter the tank from above. All holding tanks must be vented through the roof of the RV. In some cases, the vent pipe can become dislodged and fall down inside the tank, submerging itself in the contents of the holding tank. This effectively blocks off the vent, thereby prohibiting the venting action of allowing air to enter as you try to empty that tank. This is why it seemingly drains normally if you unhook the drain hose. Disconnecting the sewer hose allows air to enter the tank.
Here’s an analogy…place a drinking straw into a glass of water. If you simply lift the straw out of the glass, the water inside the straw drains out as you lift. Now place your finger over the open end of the straw and lift it out. The water remains trapped inside the straw until you remove your finger from the end.
Liquid entering the holding tank must displace the air when draining into the tank and air must enter behind the contents during draining of the tank itself. That vent through the roof must work in both directions.
Here’s how to check it out. From up on the roof, remove the cover for that holding tank vent. If the ABS piping is not protruding above the roof a couple inches or so, chances are the vent has slipped down into the tank and made contact with the contents. In some cases, you can re-attach it correctly from inside the RV; in other cases, the holding tank must be dropped in order to repair that vent connection. A thorough inspection will reveal the best method of repair.
(Please feel free to comment, however, please also note that due to the volume of communications I receive from multiple channels I cannot guarantee a personal response in every instance. However, questions of an overall general interest may be considered and published in an upcoming RV Doctor column.)
pete freestone
had problem with grey tank intermitent blockage, in my 93 monaco cr sig,,after i used a tank cleaning agent. turned out someone at the factory was being cute by leaving 3 sewer fitting plug cutouts in the tank.this problem didn’t start until the coach was 12 years old. fortunately i was able to fix it myself by cutting a 5″ x7″ hole in the side of the tank and made a cover plate out of clear lexan. while i was at it i checked the black tank and found i plug in there also. same fix. now i can remove the covers and pressure wash the tanks to dislodge buildup…
David Badger
Let me provide a few more details. The tank was used for liquid waste only. I don’t think it was a venting issue because I would have the wife hold down the foot flush peddle on the toilet which allowed air into the tank during the dumping process. As for disconnecting the hose after the initial flow stopped I would first close the drain valve. Then unhook the drain hose and hold the open hose end under the drain valve and slightly open the drain valve to allow only minimum flow which drained directly into the drain hose. Obviously not a conventional method but I always wore rubber gloves was was very careful not to allow anything to drain on the ground. I was surprised to see this posting as my original question was submitted about 3 years ago.
bob
To prove a vent problem you could just flush the thing and that would let in air and the tank should drain with out removing anything. It also proves a vent problem with out going on the roof. bob
John Pelley
Good advice.
Drew Mueller
Gary…..I have the same questions as above. David…what exactly did you mean when you unhooked the drain hose?
Vegasdan
He’d at least have to buy a new pair of shoes.
A. Walker
Well, you might not want to go there, but I sure would like to know how you get your black tank to empty in a clean, legal and healthy manner without a “drain hose” . What’s the technique, Mr. Badger? Maybe you’re onto something.
Michael Wader
I dont even want to go there.
Vegasdan
One must ask the question, where did the remainder of his black water tank contents go after removing the hose and emtying? :>(